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Jake Cohen - Dinner Party Animal
Episode 158: NYT best-selling author Jake Cohen visits the pod (for the third time!) to discuss our mutual love of salads, Gen Z jeans, and of course his most recent cookbook: Dinner Party Animal.
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Welcome to, and here's Modi. Welcome back to, and here's Modi. Whatever you are doing, whatever exercise you are doing, whatever it is, increase it a little more. If you're with your kids driving them back from school, if you're shopping and have us in your ears, we are so happy to be a part of your life. And today in the studio we have Jake Cohen, the New York times bestselling cookbook author, cookbook author and chef, jake Cohen, with a new book coming out called dinner party animal Hi.
Speaker 2:Hi Jake, hi Jake, oh, my God Number three.
Speaker 3:I think this is number three Love this is it. Oh my God, I can't believe this is number three. I think this is number three. Love this is it. And chazaka, and you just called the chazaka.
Speaker 2:I'll probably be back again too. Of course it's an open invite. I was thinking about the last time I was here and I was just like, oh the stories I have, I just need it.
Speaker 1:You've been. You want me to start. I want you to start those of you who don't know jay cohen was in israel when the events with iran happened, yeah, where the airspace was closed and you couldn't leave and, um, and it was the height of of gay pride in israel and you were there, tell us, yeah, um.
Speaker 2:So I went for a federation mission, which was was incredible. It was an LGBT mission to kind of really like. We went to the South, we got to bear witness. I got to really kind of like explore Tel Aviv and a lot of like the LGBT center and the nonprofits and NGOs that like federation helped support, which was amazing. And then kind of like the bonus of like doing all of the the mitzvah work was. Then it ended and Pride was speaking and I had a weekend planned. I had tickets to everything. We were ready and it was nice when you say tickets to everything, let them know they're not the raves, everything.
Speaker 2:And again it's like wild. It's just like tens of thousands of gay men in the park while Celebrating While Ofra plays this non-binary DJ Not really, but like sort of it's a vibe, but it's playing like crazy music. And it's just wild because this one especially was such an interesting one because it was only like Israelis from America and Jews from around the world in the diaspora who were there. It wasn't really like a tourist pride like a lot of cities have. So that was really special. And it was night one. I was at this party called Forever and it's like three in the morning and I'll never forget, because I think you guys know this by now.
Speaker 2:I'm a little psychic, I'm a little witchy, oh, yeah, for sure, you definitely feel a witch, a little witchy, and so I turned to my friend it's like 2.55 and go, I think it's time we go. And the second I say that the sirens start going. And then so literally we all like, like, hundreds of shirtless men are piling into this bunker and we didn't know what was going on. And then we went home and it was a whole thing Like it was just crazy.
Speaker 2:But then the party still kept going, Like I heard there were DJs in, everything got canceled and everything went underground and metaphorically and literally. I will not confirm or deny my participation in as much listings, but everything was was done. Really it's, I think, the craziest part of that. And I was there with none other than judy gold and she, who did not have the weekend in tel aviv that I did. I at one point I like I called her and I said get out, I'm taking you to my favorite bakery because she wasn't leaving the hotel. I'm like stop it, this is crazy. It's fine, we're going for croissants and then you're on the beach all day. The resilience is insane, the mindset of having to be so locked in, of safety, like all right, where's the shelter, how do we get in? Stop everything. To then all of a sudden compartmentalizing that and be like all right, we gotta get back to normal life, back to work, back to back to vacationing.
Speaker 3:Back to vacationing on vacation reaffirms my belief that nothing good happens at any party past 3 30 am.
Speaker 1:No, no no, that's a I will say yes, because I there was one.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, you know what I'll say it. And worst comes to worst. I'll ask you to take it out.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's a good. Yeah, there's a safe space.
Speaker 2:So that happened because there's this couple. This is really a couple. They have like little kids. They lived in Williamsburg for a little bit and they threw this house party and everyone like so many people you know were there. Everyone I knew I was inviting everyone, we knew it was so much fun. And at 2 am they're like sorry, we have to shut this down. The neighbors were complaining Because again, no one's gotten a full night's sleep in months, and they were like we're not going to let a bunch of gays keep us up at night when there aren't any missiles, as if the war wasn't bad enough. Exactly.
Speaker 2:So they shut down the party and I went back to someone's apartment with a couple of friends and then so we're hanging out and all of a sudden the sirens go off or we get the, the there's the app notification that like something's coming. And so I just turn to one of the guys. I'm like all right, where's your shelter? They didn't have one like oh, but there's like a basement shelter, right, like no, I'm like what are we doing? And they're like don't worry, it's fine. The stairwell's concrete, like we'll go down in the stairwell, it's all going to be good. They were so chill. They were so chill, so I was so chill and so like they were so chill, so I was so chill, and um and so like we continued your monopoly game.
Speaker 3:Exactly exactly it was it was a really good card game monopoly.
Speaker 2:it was yeah, yeah, it was uno and uh, yeah, and then the sirens went off and we head down to the stairwell and still so chill. And how it works is like the front door had to be open because it's glass and the shockwaves will blow out the glass. So there's always like a brick wall a few feet in front of the front door and you like enter it through the side. So the doors open, we're down because they just wanted to sit on the stairs and there are all these windows. I'm like no, we're going down, I need to be protected. I'm not like staying, I'm like not playing.
Speaker 1:I have a book coming out.
Speaker 2:Exactly, I got press. I can't have shrapnel in this face. That's what you think, isn't it?
Speaker 1:like when I was like, hey, let's go skiing. No, I have a show at the Radio Street Musical, I'm not skiing, Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2:That's how you have a book coming out hearing the missiles, oh my god. And again you're just hearing the, the what's being taken out by the dome and it's so violent, it is so violent. And then there was. This was the night, this was like at 4 am, uh, and there's, there's a direct hit on allenby, which was just a few blocks away, and the whole building is shaking and it is so loud and it sounds like it happened right outside. Obviously it didn't, um, and and luckily I could I couldn't even imagine or fathom what it must have been like if it was even closer. But, um, they start freaking out.
Speaker 2:And once they start freaking out, you're full blown, you begin losing and at one point what one of the guys turns, he goes because there was like a stop. And then he's like, okay, run. And we literally run, sprint down the street. We got into his friend's building. Then we got right into their friend's apartments, mamad, which was packed with gay men including all. Like we're just like, and then, like they close the door, there's another round. I'm like like finally like coming to of, like looking around, like what's happening. I see this couple that I met in greenpoint a few weeks ago. I'll be like what are you doing here?
Speaker 2:um jake would find someone he knows and yeah, and that was the first and last time I went anywhere without having a true, clear plan Where's the nearest shelter? Where's this, where's that? I wouldn't. There was someone wanted me to come and take a car to. They were like come for dinner in the north of Tel Aviv and it just would have been like a 17 minute Uber and I was like, no, I won't go.
Speaker 3:I just can't. I was just can't. I was just like how long total were you there? I was there, for it was like you were there for a month, but you know, for like a week, right, it was like 10 days, okay.
Speaker 2:And when? How did you get out judy and I went through, uh, jordan?
Speaker 3:so tell us about that, like tell us about that. What did that day look like you another great israel with judy gold.
Speaker 2:We were stuck at the border for like seven hours. I actually got how did that day look? Like you flee Israel with Judy Gold, we're stuck at the border for like seven hours. I actually got detained because they found some gay sexual paraphernalia in my luggage and they were like this is illegal. And I was like throw it out. What did you have? Poppers or something? No, no, no, we don't need it, it's a family podcast. You have a poppers or something? No, no, no, we don't need it, no, no, it's a family podcast. Um, yeah, and I was like throw it out. And luckily they were. They were very chill about it, but for a hot second I was like.
Speaker 3:I was like I just oh my god, jay cohen detained in a jordanian prison that'll be your next cookbook Like what's a cook and, like Martha Stewart did, taste of the Middle East.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, yeah. And then I came home. What was Judy like that day? Yeah, I can't imagine, judy, we love you, but what was she was miserable. I have such a great picture of her at the border control. Wow, I've never seen her look because, again, she typically that's part of her, her part of her, her bit is like, she's always a little just. She's always a little like angry, right, like and uh, and this was like a bad day a bad day a bad day.
Speaker 3:It was a bad day. Yeah, it's not a great day when you know when you're going through order.
Speaker 1:I can even imagine. So how'd you get to the border? How like a bus, a bus, a bus, bus.
Speaker 2:Bus is to bus. And then you just physically drive over a border and then you like have to Go to like an in-between area, that you yeah, like a no man's land, and yeah it was-.
Speaker 1:Crazy.
Speaker 3:And then you go to the, to the jordan did anyone brief you on like what to say or not to say, or like did they you?
Speaker 2:honestly, it was so chaotic because, you have to remember, it's like everyone was trying to get out. It was yeah, yeah, no, no, it was wild. And so I got home I literally walked into the apartment and I started crying. I was like so chill the whole time because the adrenaline is right, so going, and I got home and I like kind of all settled in of what had just happened the last week and so I took a very chill, stoned weekend by myself. Like everyone was like, oh, come to this party or come out to the. I know so many gays that went straight from JFK getting home to the Pines. I'm like are you crazy? A lot of them regretted it but like yeah, that's a lot, but you can go to the Pines and just chill, I don't want to be around that many people.
Speaker 2:Oh, you just did Especially that many. You just dealt with gay people and pride in this lens. It's like, oh, I just wanted to be alone. But yeah, and then where else were you? You were in Berlin. I went to Berlin. Navot had a big art opening, which was insane. He's like so huge in Europe. It was so packed Like one of there was a painting of me that was in the collection.
Speaker 1:Wow, People don't know. Navot is this artist Navot is this Israeli artist. You met him in Berghain. I did. Yeah, he's this Israeli artist that Jake met in Berghain and he's not Hasidic, but he has. He has a pay, is coming out of his head, and when you dance with him at a club, it's like the light, the backlight of him is insane.
Speaker 2:And they bounce, and it bounces. It's amazing. That was honestly, literally, that was so literally his. He had just moved to New York and I brought him to base yeah, you, first time with you.
Speaker 3:You're like I was like get in the car.
Speaker 1:I went with you. Leo didn't go, I know, but it was like you're dancing in basement with him and the lights coming from behind and it's all, and you see some guy with a Palestinian shmata the.
Speaker 2:Thing.
Speaker 1:And then you the keffiyeh, and then you and then you and with his little payas just jumping up and down and it's, it's like whoa, yeah, and it's amazing. His art is beautiful yeah, from what I've seen and so I haven't seen any live but beautiful, he's so talented.
Speaker 2:It was really really special for his opening, yeah. And then we uh, how long were you in? Uh, just like four days. Okay, four days we went to berghain, but only for like a cute 13 hours yeah I don't think this leads listeners know what Berghain is.
Speaker 3:That's fine.
Speaker 2:It's the capital of techno music in the world. Very nice, perfect. And then I went straight to Paris with Lou and a friend of mine, another artist, and we were there. Our other friend was doing this, our friend, jordan Roth, was doing this performance. Oh, I saw that, yeah, which was really special. And then I found out that my roommate Benj and a bunch of our friends were in London. So I was like okay, let me. I hopped on the Eurostar the train. It was a two-hour train ride from Paris. I was like amazing. And then I just went to London for a week. Jake is down. I was like amazing, and then I just went to London for a week, jake is down.
Speaker 3:I am down, jake is. He is down. You're in London, I'm in Paris, he's on that train.
Speaker 2:Did a great oh my God, we had the sweetest Shabbat with Jesse Ware and her mom and like and all of our friends.
Speaker 2:So what was your favorite thing you ate in? Uh, everyone always asks us, so don't roll your eyes. No, no, no, no, no, I don't. I don't eat a ton in berlin, but my favorite thing is. My favorite thing is you make it from the club and go straight to sophie the bakery, which is one of my favorite bakeries in the world and they do the most incredible sourdough, so you could get a sandwich and some pastries and a coffee. Yeah, you love it, and they do a. They do a great ginger lemon tea which is like after you've been partying. It's just like it's. It feels like you're doing like a full spa day and carbo loading this is also helpful because people come up to you.
Speaker 3:You've told me this that people come up to you and and they go. How are you so?
Speaker 2:skinny, you must not eat what you cook.
Speaker 3:But people don't understand that you are jumping up and down doing cardio for like 12 hours straight.
Speaker 2:I'll bike anywhere, I'll do whatever it takes so I can have that croissant. And if I didn't, I'd have your body. I'd be like, hmm, the second I cut those things out. That's when we're like no, I love a pastry.
Speaker 3:We eat a pastry, we eat two. I know, oh, I know.
Speaker 2:So let's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, should we talk about Dinner Party Animal? Yeah, so this is book number Three. Three, and walk us through the first two again Jew-ish, jew-ish, which we have, and I could nosh I and I know what's coming up. Yes, I know what's coming up. We actually wait. So dinner party animal is the one that is not the one that we were testing. A lot of recipes in Fire Island, some of them yeah, the combination.
Speaker 2:You had a bunch of ones because we were in Fire Island right before I Canosh came out. So I was doing a lot of like press stuff for I Canosh. I was bringing a lot of stuff I was cooking from I Canosh to stuff I could not. She was bringing a lot of stuff I was cooking from I could nosh to fire Island. But I also started to test a bunch of recipes. So that's where, like, a lot of the stuff I talk about I talk about like fire Island in the the curry recipes. It was that one. There was that one week where everyone had such a different dietary restriction and it was so difficult.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I, yeah, and I was like, well, one of my favorite fire island memories because we had a few weeks with you out there is like you and a speedo in the kitchen on friday making challahs and it was like the smell and seeing jake cohen in action and fire.
Speaker 1:I can say that I was there when that whole, when you crossed the line across the line, I was sitting at the table having a little salad and jake is making his challah and he's got the phone all set up and he's wearing, he's greased up from like, uh, sunscreen, suntan oil and whatever it was, and you're wearing a, a bikini, bathing suit with your entire, like anybody people I'm, I know the, I know the oil. And then and you that was the beginning of you cooking shirtless-y and very sexy, and I was sitting right there in front of the phone. I can literally that's when it began and I remember you posting it and just it blowing up Love. It was just amazing.
Speaker 2:It was so good. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. But this one again the whole point of this is like people are so intimidated from hosting about hosting. It is point of this is like people are so intimidated from hosting, about hosting, and this was I wanted to create and it was even something I got for my first two books where people be like, oh my God, I love this recipe of yours, what do I serve with it? And so this book is actually just 16 menus. That's all broken down. It's got all the recipes, your grocery list, your timeline, like everything you know, so that you can like throw dinner party and it's mainly like for everyday occasions, but there's also like a full Thanksgiving menu and a full Passover menu, Wow, wow.
Speaker 1:How exciting.
Speaker 3:Is there anything that exists in your head that's like a connective thread? But books like for that, super fans would know like you're like. Oh, I would take this from the first book and do it with this of this book, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:I actually talk about it in this book, where I call out specific recipes from my other books and being like, ooh, this would be a good addition, this would be a good swap, like, yeah, I love, I love that because there's always a. There's always a super.
Speaker 3:It is intimidating hosting. We're hosting now in Connecticut and we've become a host, Even though it's just like close friends and family you gotta like, I mean.
Speaker 1:I barbecue.
Speaker 3:I did not do these recipes, folks. I barbecued some stuff. Good, we love that we love, amazing.
Speaker 1:I will look at this book. When we host, we're hosting really close friends and they're cooking themselves too, and they're all, of course. Of course, they're all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no one's competitive for the viewers at home. I am not one of these really close friends yet. Yeah you have an open, you just live busy all those places you have been, I would be there in a second.
Speaker 1:In a second you invite, I'm there yeah, yeah, and it's no, no, but and and then that fire island house everybody was so competitive they were trying to outdo each other with cooking them and leo and I like we're okay with, like, a chicken salad 100 low-fat pantry chicken salad and I'm set and a thing of mary's gone.
Speaker 1:Crackers done, mary's gone while you were doing everything you were cooking was so it was so an incredible thing to see, just like how you were like suntanning, and then coming back and doing a little something and coming in and making it so easy. It's like unbelievable. You just have it. You have it and you're an amazing host and you make all of your your guests feel so loved and it comes out in the book and this book comes out september 30th.
Speaker 3:And what do you have planned? What's up?
Speaker 2:talk about? What can you? Yeah, the best thing is, like I wanted to kind of really blow out the two things which obviously it's like a play on, uh, the fact that I love a dinner party and I'm also a party animal, hence the story. But the venn diagram, the venn diagram, yeah, so I always typically launch at the striker center, which we were just at for your podcast taping, with incredible, and I, um, yeah, and then I also, when I was in Israel, I got to go to the hostage forum, which was incredibly powerful.
Speaker 2:What I wanted to do is do a book talk, which I always do, but have it be more so like a dinner party. So it's going to be all of my favorite people on stage with me in conversation, acting like pretty much. We'll set up a dinner table on the stage, and so it's going to be everyone from modi to, uh, benj pasic, alex edelman uh, potentially there are a couple of others, but, um, it's looking like judy gold will join as well, which will be amazing, and then we'll see what other, what other surprise guests will pop in. Isaac Mizrahi, I think so too. I think he's going to round it out. Yeah, and then afterwards I'm throwing a rave in the basement.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow Of that Stryker Center, Of the Stryker Center, but you have to coordinate because they did their own thing once and it wasn't rave-y.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't, which is why I'm literally taking over. Emile cohen's gonna dj, so it's gonna be like, obviously, of mother disco, which has exploded in new york and everywhere, and so it's gonna be fun, it's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 3:I read the um, the menu list that's on listed on the pages where we're featured on yeah, Picture of me and you.
Speaker 3:So this menu is oh do we not have pages Like it's a Gamora, like it's the armored, yeah, okay, so we have a squash cucumber salad, a harissa cucumber salad, carrot, harissa carrot salad, kale and pomegranate salad, lemony turmeric rice, rice, tofu curry with roasted cauliflower, sweet potatoes and chickpeas. That's the one we ate on fire island and chocolate covered halva stuff dates. Yeah, that's a really any call outs there, any main like the. That's a lot of salads, no, but yeah that's the whole idea of this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, again, that's also very middle eastern. It's to have a bunch of prepared salads and again, a lot of these are are other than the kale salad. These aren't like, uh, lettuce salads, they're just like vegetables. It's more so just like cold carrot preparations and you could do in advance that you do in advance. That's kind of the whole point with a lot of these menus. These are all recipes that work really well of like two days in advance You're going to prep all this day before you're going to prep all this. So it makes it easy. So no one's like.
Speaker 1:I love when you, when you hit those restaurants in Israel and they have like, as soon as you sit down, they just bring like 10 different salads on the table Exactly.
Speaker 1:It's a carrot and and Kuvit and all of that and yeah, it's so good. It's so good. I love that stuff when you just boom and you already have with tannash on Exactly A little pita and then you just order a little piece of fish or chicken and then just, but the salads are all. Salads are just and there's no guilt in eating salads. It's a salad, it's healthy, it's a salad of course, Exactly Um.
Speaker 3:I'm looking at Kielbasa in a blanket.
Speaker 1:What's your next thing? Like travel-wise. What's your like?
Speaker 2:I am on the local circuit of the Hamptons, fire Island and Provincetown Provincetown's not so local See.
Speaker 3:And you wonder why you haven't made it to Connecticut yet. You are busy, just like we are busy. We're gonna. To get our schedules to coordinate is not easy To get our schedules to coordinate.
Speaker 2:All we got to do is text and coordinate them, girl. Okay, I love that. I'm only doing one week on Fire Island this year. I think it's been Well, we're taking a break, we're taking a break. I very much have this on-off mentality which this year. I was craving a European summer, and now I think I'm going to have. We have Europe at home, and now I think I've got to have Europe at home, and now it's like I have Europe. Next year I think I'll just be here and then I will start my tour in the fall and so I'll be bouncing all around. I'll be in on the West coast. I'll be kind of just a little bit of everywhere.
Speaker 1:You go hard when you promote these books. You go hard. They're buying you the. You go hard when you promote these books. You go hard, they're buying you. The book is just like a vehicle to you, completely. Now, if you've ever been in a room with Jake Cohen, you feel it. It's like a.
Speaker 3:It's the it factor, it's the it factor, it's all energy, it's all energy.
Speaker 1:He's so sweet. It's like in the summer and you get to and then you get a book to go home with it. It's like you take that energy with you. It's so great. It's so great and the book is useful. There we go and everybody talks about how they changed something. I didn't put that, but I put something else and it was delicious. It's such a vibe.
Speaker 3:It's a Jake Cohen vibe, something that doesn't have to do with food. What do you want to talk about? Let's see clothing I love. What are you watching? What are you reading? No, you, what are you buying clothes? I love everything you wear. Okay, pause. Yes, I want to hear this, but he's used to call me out for being toddler wear and he's not not in toddler wear today oh, no, no well, yeah this is my rate my susan alexandra rave necklace that I made um again.
Speaker 2:We love a jewish business. Uh, jewess, these pants are ata. It's incredible we know ata yeah, um, and I am like very into gen z jeans right now the big okay, but you're tall and you can like this like you're doing baggy, huge baggy pants and a tank top.
Speaker 2:I look like a rug rat. Oh, I love it. I look like a rug rat. I can't. I just got these, these, these orange corduroy pants Literally. When I tell you they are, it's almost comical how big they are. My sister thinks that I look ridiculous and I feel so I love it.
Speaker 3:And I live on the Lower East Side and I see all these Gen Z kids and they are wearing the biggest pants you've ever seen in your life. But they're all tall and thin and they just have these big baggy denim or big baggy cargo shorts and they look cool because they just do it with like a rib tank and like that's a camo trucker hat and I'm like you look amazing right now. If I wore that, I would look crazy, like a crazy person also. I'm just I don't have the height for the gen z cut. No, you wear his he's got two looks.
Speaker 1:he's either looks like a toddler or like an over over oversized shirt and pants and he's just walking like a little toddler, or he looks like the captain of the Czechoslovakian gymnastics team. I know exactly what you're talking about. Oh yes, last time I saw him he was that.
Speaker 3:That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 2:Captain of the Czechoslovakian gymnastics team. Yeah, obsessed.
Speaker 2:That's what I struggle with, but the main thing I will say it's like in terms of reading, I haven't been watching a ton of stuff like I have gotten into. I'm in just like my self-help era of I only read self-help books. I love self-help. It's the only thing I can read. I've gotten so witchy and woo woo talk about it. Well, it's like we talk because you called me right after I did the Hoffman process. Oh, yeah, yeah, that it was like this woo-woo retreat in the woods. They take your phone for a week.
Speaker 2:You like unpack all the patterns you inherited from childhood and and create it's like ritualized ways to create new neural pathways to kind of fight what's so ingrained in you, um, which I really loved and it worked. Oh, it's amazing, like you, just when you, the more you work on yourself and I'm very big into like manifestation through, like meditation and positive intentional thinking and mantra, that's very motive, very much Like, actually I will say the create our I. It's gotten me much closer to our friend Kelsey because, like I think I was able to connect to him on a much more of a spiritual level. Yeah, and he's very when you, when you tap into that world, you all of a sudden realize like, oh, I need a community of people that are also like hungry for bettering themselves and like deepening their connection to the universe.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's why, whenever you're in a room with people who are trying to better themselves, you feel it that Tony Robbins those events that he has. You're in a room of people who want to make themselves. You feel it that Tony Robbins those events that he has. You're in a room of people who want to make themselves better. You know, I went to the Kabbalah Center. You're in that room of people who are like there just to better themselves. Like how can I be a more sharing and better person? It's a different energy when you go to a regular synagogue where everybody's just there to show an outfit off or to go kick. Some people are there to connect spiritually, but it's not the main focus. When you are at a retreat of people trying to become better people, you feel it like everybody in this room wants to be a better version of themselves. You feel it and that's where I guess that hopping process is yes, and again it all ties into everything.
Speaker 2:It's like I I love a little tarot in my life, but not from like a. It's reading the future, but it's the sense of. There is a lot of conversation around the neuroscience, around the randomness of a deck of cards allows you to get these very generalized readings. But if you're doing a lot of introspective work, when you see what you have, these visceral reactions to like what aspects of these very generalized things that can really apply to most people, you start to see like what your subconscious is telling you to really attach to.
Speaker 1:It's well, it's. So you have like astrology, yeah, same deal. Where it gives you like, here's the good and bad of every sign. So it just tells you, for example, we're hosting, okay, and there's nothing I hate more than eating outdoors. I just hate eating outdoors. I don't know why. I just don't like it. But Leo Cook made this whole meal. It was so beautiful and it was a nice day. The salmon no, no, no, wow.
Speaker 2:Actually no, wow, I love that, I love that.
Speaker 1:Kosher chicken Period and he did vegetables and everything, and we have this whole area for outdoor dining. Yeah, of course I'm like, please, god, let's not use this, let's just go inside with the air conditioning and then they say hey, hey, we'll, we'll, we'll, let's eat outside.
Speaker 1:And I said, okay, I'm a Taurus, I have that Taurus energy who loves to be comfortable. I said, okay, no problem, I'm going to go against what I want to do. You have to know to go against what you want to do. That's what your sign tells you. So a Taurus is stubborn and loves comfort, right. So I said, okay, I'm easy, let's sit outside, let's set it up. And it worked out beautiful. And I got this big fan that was left there from the construction to get the bugs out. And it was amazing. It wasn't hot, the sun was at the right thing and it was nice. It worked out. But that's what it is.
Speaker 1:Your astrology sign is to show you the good and bad, yeah. And then connect to the Taurus energy of being dependable. You're steady, you know it's good, you can do a routine over and over the gym, filling and davening and all of that. That's that energy too, that you connect to both of them. And so there's good and bad in every sign. You know it's like don't your whole life around it, but like know what to watch out for. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, if you're an Aquarius, you should be very like. It's an addictive sign. So be careful, be careful. But it's also an unbelievable way to get somewhere without going from point A to B in a straight line. They know how to figure it out in another way. So it's all. These signs have amazing things, but you've just known Bodhi's randomly good at astrology.
Speaker 2:I love that, but this is what I'm saying. I think that and one of my. I have many controversial opinions, but one of them is that this is where you say them. I know I know when else I think people.
Speaker 2:I think we live in a society that has too many therapists and not enough spiritual leaders, like I think people need more rabbi presence in their life than therapy presence in their life, because I think that you need these types of connections and conversations, a tap to like ancient wisdom and also with this idea of like, I think a lot of people are doing it because they think it's what they're supposed to do to make them better, but they're not Doing therapy, therapy, but they're not taking an active role in the ritual, which is so important.
Speaker 1:I also think that people and I'm not putting down- therapy, wow.
Speaker 2:No, it's incredible. You find the power you have with a great therapist that's right for you is magical. My conversation is I think a lot of people don't do the work to find a therapist.
Speaker 1:I will tell you, the moment I really knew that I didn't need therapy was I have an uncle figure in my life, very successful Israeli businessman, and we hadn't seen him. I hadn't seen him in a long time and for family drama and dynamics. And then we had lunch and then he turns to me after lunch. It was a lovely lunch, we caught up on each other's lives and so happy. And you know, he says to me Modi, I want to tell you something. You've turned out much better than anybody's expectations. I took it, I left it there on the table for the waitress to unpack with the tip. Of course Somebody who's in therapy would have run to therapy. Of course I was like good, and he meant it from an amazing place. You could also start like what was everybody's expectation of me? Why was I such a mess? You know, that's when I was like I'm good, thank you thank you, we'll just move on.
Speaker 3:Like too many people are like using therapy, speak to, like justify things that are actually toxic behaviors. Well, that in itself is like you're being toxic.
Speaker 1:You're being this and it's like triggering sliding, triggering you're being.
Speaker 3:Everyone I feel like is just using.
Speaker 2:I think everyone needs to take a ritualized psychedelic experience and really unpack. What are the things that they have to be like, focusing on, like. I think the majority of people's issues can a be addressed in terms of like figuring out what you need to do with, like guided psychedelic work, and then from there you can figure out okay, what is the way that I then address this? How which is saying that again, I think combinations of therapy and potentially medication or potentially, like I don't know a million one ways that you can fix it. But I think finding the root cause of why people are unhappy or anxious or any of these things are just like that should be the first thing, instead of just putting a bandaid on the issue.
Speaker 3:Well, I want to say it's very obvious that whatever work you are doing, it is working because you're glowing.
Speaker 2:I come off happy. People always say that I seem very happy because I am.
Speaker 3:No, you are, and I'm sure you struggle with stuff, just like everyone else. But whenever you're around, jake Cohen, you don't feel it and that is impressive. And I see it when we're in these big events that we go to and there's lots of people and strangers coming up to you and you are like the people's princess, you are like Princess Diana, and it is impressive, it's aspirational. Yeah, I will say.
Speaker 2:I will say those places.
Speaker 1:Do you know how hard it is for Leo to be in a rave? And all those people.
Speaker 3:I'm not talking about a rave honey. I'm talking about the Stryker Center. Okay, the Stryker Center.
Speaker 1:Yeah, rave honey.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about the striker center, okay, the striker center, yeah, yeah, but in a rave too I do. Well, it doesn't matter, I don't have a panic attack in a walmart.
Speaker 1:It's like all those, all the things that were stimulating it's overstimulating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that stuff. I uh, it's funny. I went on a date recently and the guy, the guy goes. Yeah, I wouldn't really consider myself a very, uh, positive person. You're like immediately and I literally was just like well, I am and I don't know where we go from there for you like.
Speaker 2:You said manifestation, one of my mantras. One of my mantras, everything works out for me, and all my friends now know like when something, something just amazing, will happen. It's like it happened with nevote, where he didn't he ended up coming to paris with us just because and we didn't have a ticket for him to I was trying to get him to the into Jordan's thing at the Louvre and they ended up just like whisking him in and like putting a VIP thing.
Speaker 1:I've seen that happen.
Speaker 2:And I just go. I go to vote. Everything works out for us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen that happen. It is true. We were going into a party one time and this was back when you had to have an ID, you had to have the COVID card and we all had. Remember it was at Cherry Grove, whatever the Ice Palace, and we're all there and one of our friends had nothing, had nothing. We were like here's my ID, here's my COVID card, and he goes here's my vape, that's all. He had a vape, he goes, I just have a vape. And for somehow, somehow, everybody, two seconds, somebody had a picture of his id, someone had a picture of his thing, and it just boom, boom, boom and he, they walked in. There's like there's never a little different it's but it's pretty good it's
Speaker 2:pretty say, I think if you go into these energies.
Speaker 2:That's. It's funny because I think, very similarly to the conversation around like clubs with bouncers, or even like talking about Berghain, about getting into Berghain versus not getting into Berghain I say this all the time it's like energy is everything. If you're going up worried and fearful that you're not going to get in or get rejected and this is again you could say this about getting into the club. You could say this about talking to a cute person. You could say this about going into a job interview anything. If you could say this about going into a job interview anything. If you're going in with the headspace of I'm going to get rejected, it reads in your body language, reads on your energy, it reads in your actions and most likely, that's what's going to happen, versus if you live with a little more delusion of, like, everything works out for me, oh, it just things. Life is so much better.
Speaker 3:What are some of your mantras? You have your many, many mantras.
Speaker 1:First of all, everything I say, I say with the beginning I am, and then end with I am. That's from Moses when he spoke with God. I love that. Who are you? He said I am, that I am. So you just whatever you want you put in there. So you say I am success. I am Not. I want success because God will give you more of what you want, not the success. So I am put everything.
Speaker 1:I am in a healthy relationship with my husband. I am. I am enjoying every moment of life I am. I am blessed with family and parents that are doing well, baruch Hashem, I am. And then you know when I manifest things and at the end I have it all written down and I go to the Rebbe's oil and I put it in there. You know wherever grave I go to. And then when things work out at the end of the thing I type in thank you Hashem, thank you God, because it manifested. It's like you know, Like you know the beacon shows. I'm selling out beacon shows. We saw three and I put at the end I put thank you Hashem. And then it just you gotta be positive, you gotta be like it's already happened, like it's already happened.
Speaker 2:Wild. Yeah, oh my God, it reminds me. Did you end up talking on the podcast about that dinner? I literally can't stop talking about the last time I saw you at the Tablet Magazine Sinai Awards. Oh my God, you never talked about that on the pod, did you? No, no, wait, you saw the pictures. I saw the pictures. So literally I go in, I'm sitting, it's literally what a table. It's me, modi, debra Messing, barry Weiss, and we're all talking all this stuff. I'm like so not in it. And then we go. We have this little break and all this. They're honoring all these people, like 10 people that make the world a freer place. Yeah, and all of a sudden they start talking about azalea banks and I turn and she's seated there and I, literally in a sheer, like moaning, I, I, just I go, oh my, and of course, like nobody knows who she is, I am, I was dying.
Speaker 1:I had no idea. So I our tape, so we were sitting like this and the chair my chair was here. So at one point, when there was like a lull or they were serving something, I turned to her and she was the only person there of color. She was the only person there of color and I was just. I spoke to her. I go to her. Do you think we're gonna have soup? I said to her.
Speaker 3:I had no idea who she's a zillion. It's just really crazy that, like the landscape we're living is is like because azalea banks is known for her, just like unhinged, unhinged, crazy things that she says. But she's been so on the nose about israel and like vocal about it in a online uh bubble that usually isn't. Do you remember fire island?
Speaker 2:what about it?
Speaker 2:my obsession and I was playing new bottega on repeat and then we went to the party and there was that and it came on to that remix and I lose, lose again. I think she is. So I literally go up to her. I go, modi, I have to go say hi. So the thing ends. I run up to her, she's sitting down, I get on my knees and I grab her hand and I go. I do not go a day without listening to your music. And then we end up sitting the whole night together. I get her number. She's been sending me the wildest voice notes. No way, obsessed, obsessed icon.
Speaker 3:The one night. I don't go to one of these events by the way, I was getting dressed and I was like I have a headache, I don't want to eat a salmon piece on a thing like, and I didn't go and I.
Speaker 2:I had no idea what I was coming into and I texted a lot of new house, the editor-in-chief, who, again, I think tablet is so brilliant, such a wonderful place. I'm also like doing a great feature for the new book, which I love. Okay, then I will say what else? No, again, they are polar, and that's the thing that I love. That you called out is like they're so polarizing, and one of the things that they pride themselves on is like a lot of the people in the room were on both sides of the political spectrum, religious spectrum. They really try to make everyone angry, which they do. They try to make everyone angry, which they do they try to?
Speaker 1:make everyone, which they do, stir the pot, but what they really did is they created a space of Mashiach energy where everything was oneness All the people that are on the different sides of whatever spectrum. It was all connected with the fact that it's okay that everybody's on the different sides. They disagree, and all of that. Enjoy your disagreement, enjoy it, enjoy it.
Speaker 2:As agreement. Enjoy it. Enjoy it as long as you're presenting it well. As long as you're presenting it well. 100 I love, I love, love that. And I texted her after I was like this was incredible, I'll come to any, any tablet event they do. I'm there because I was just you had. There was farmers and actors and newscasters and people were from all walks of life. And then, obviously, debra Messing came out and did the most gorgeous speech and like I feel, such like it's like I feel like she's my mother.
Speaker 1:I sat next to her. Is it her assistant? Her producer? I don't know what. You call her her right hand? It's her right hand and I felt, Leo, energy A hundred percent Like she, this woman, this is Leo.
Speaker 1:Energy, this is like she's on top of everything. It was so funny. Like you know, this is what happened. So we're sitting there and and she's making sure we get pictures. You know she's making sure we get pictures. You know she's doing the pictures, just like Leo does. I don't know how to take a picture. And then Debra asked for her phone. And then she's holding her phone and she goes Debra's going to take a picture. And then I said to her, so I said to her assistant, I said to her do you let her post on her Instagram? And she goes it's a situation. It's a situation, it's a situation and I'm like, no, I'm allowed to post, but I would never just hit the button until I showed Leo I mean the spelling and the spelling involved in posting all kinds of things that have to be tagged in this. Put a ticket in there.
Speaker 1:And so yeah, but but I was like hysterical. It just shows you the dynamic right away. She goes it's a situation. Well, she could do whatever she wants. She could do whatever she wants. She is grace from that show, and I mean she's grace from that show.
Speaker 1:I know that one show, yeah, oh my God, icon. No, no, she's an icon and she's getting and there's checks coming in non-stop so it doesn't have to worry about anything and she can say what she wants and she does and bless her heart. Huge fan of that, huge fan, huge. I'm a big fan of you, jake, oh fan. And there's books coming out. How can people reach you and know about you and and connect to that jake cohen energy?
Speaker 2:tell them we go at jake cohen on instagram on tiktok you could watch I gotta I on cable so you could watch. Jake Makes it Easy on A&E Second season is premiering right now. Yeah, new book out September 30th Dinner Party Animal. Get it, wherever Modi will be there at the Striker Center October 4th. It's going to be Wow In that 900 seat room In the big one. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, wow amazing we were.
Speaker 2:Originally we were gonna do in the main sanctuary, but they had to build the sukkah that night. Oh so pissed, but it's fine.
Speaker 1:It's fine, it'll be great, it'll be great and that's it, and I'm on morilifecom Shows everywhere we're in Paris, berlin, vienna, amsterdam, amsterdam, israel. Possibly when are you doing Berlin November?
Speaker 2:20th, 20th, yeah, oh, we're going to be in touch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and we've left some space there between the other shows, and Paris and Vienna is going to be amazing too, and amazing shows. Everything is on tour. Find a show near you or near one of your friends and get some tickets. Be the friend that brings the friends to the comedy show. Oh, just to laugh with your friends. That's Mashiach Energy. Thank you all very, very much for listening in and tuning in and just being a part of. And here's Modi. Thank you, love you.